I am not an expert for literature, so I need to be informed of the exact difference between tropes and stereotypes so that I can understand whether this disctinction is of any relevance for the discussion.
I don't know every example. I think some of them are not well chosen, e.g. Ellen Ripley. I differ about Molley Weasley however - she's is a clichéd character: the mother who cares about everyone and for whom this is the content of her life.
It does not matter whether men are just as stereotyped. Stereotyping men is just as problematic as stereotyping women.
Concerning Yoko Ono: Yes, she's a real person - but also a myth. The myth is that it's her fault that the Beatles broke apart, because she estranged John Lennon from the rest of them. The real person goes the top most line: she carries her own story (an artist in her own right, even before she met John Lennon) she is three-dimensional, she has flaws, she does not carry an idea, and she is also still alive.
Concerning POC: If no women of colour had been included, there'd be an outcry too. I know of the significance of Uhura - I once saw an interview with the actress, and she explained that she once considered quitting and that Martin Luther King called her and asked her not to quit. But on the other hand, even as a child when I watched TOS I wondered why Uhura never left the Enterprise for some landing mission.
Bashing female stereotypes has nothing to do with bashing women. On the contrary, criticizing stereotypes is liberating. No real woman is bashed by the chart, as all real women go the first path, the one that leads to "strong female character" and should better be named "realistic female character". Because of this, none of the questions on the lower part of the flip chart have to be answered by any real women, nor have they to be answered for a three-dimensional character.
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Date: 2010-10-17 05:04 pm (UTC)I don't know every example. I think some of them are not well chosen, e.g. Ellen Ripley. I differ about Molley Weasley however - she's is a clichéd character: the mother who cares about everyone and for whom this is the content of her life.
It does not matter whether men are just as stereotyped. Stereotyping men is just as problematic as stereotyping women.
Concerning Yoko Ono: Yes, she's a real person - but also a myth. The myth is that it's her fault that the Beatles broke apart, because she estranged John Lennon from the rest of them. The real person goes the top most line: she carries her own story (an artist in her own right, even before she met John Lennon) she is three-dimensional, she has flaws, she does not carry an idea, and she is also still alive.
Concerning POC: If no women of colour had been included, there'd be an outcry too. I know of the significance of Uhura - I once saw an interview with the actress, and she explained that she once considered quitting and that Martin Luther King called her and asked her not to quit. But on the other hand, even as a child when I watched TOS I wondered why Uhura never left the Enterprise for some landing mission.
Bashing female stereotypes has nothing to do with bashing women. On the contrary, criticizing stereotypes is liberating. No real woman is bashed by the chart, as all real women go the first path, the one that leads to "strong female character" and should better be named "realistic female character". Because of this, none of the questions on the lower part of the flip chart have to be answered by any real women, nor have they to be answered for a three-dimensional character.